On Saturday, MP KO Roman Giertych accused the media of the use of illegal recordings from Pegasus, combining their publication with his request to recalculate votes in the presidential election. He reported that he was about his conversation from 2019 with Donald Tusk.
The head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Radosław Sikorski referred to the matter. “I remind you that for the previous illegal recording of Falenta he had two years. I hope that this time the media will not get excited about flavors, but will help identify criminals who recorded and disseminated conversations between the lawyer and the client,” he wrote at X Sikorski.
I remind you that Falenta healed for previous illegal recording for two years. I hope that this time the media will not get excited with flavors but will help identify criminals who recorded and distributed conversations between the lawyer and the client. https://t.co/unl0kn6st3
– Radosław Sikorski 🇵🇱🇪🇺 (@sikorskiradek) June 14, 2025
Fragments of the conversation between Giertych and Tusk were published on Friday and Saturday, among others Television WPOLSCE24, indicating that they relate to shaping electoral lists in 2019 and negotiations of Giertych with Grzegorz Schetyna, then the head of the Civic Platform, regarding the possible start of Giertych in the parliamentary elections. This station, like Telewizja Republika, announced that they will soon publish further fragments from the recordings.
“For two days, PiS media has been publishing fragments of my conversations recorded from June to September 2019 by the Israeli Pegasus program as part of an illegal operation conducted against me by the CBA,” he said on the platform X Giertych. He also reminded that in this case there is an investigation conducted by team No. 3 of the National Prosecutor's Office, where he has the status of the victim. Prosecutors from March last year They check, among others Unlawful use of this software in Poland.
According to Giertych, who referred to the CBA statement in this matter, his conversations were to be destroyed because they did not contain any content of criminal character. Meanwhile – as he noted – copies of the recordings have been taken before the change of power and are currently used political by PiS people. “This was the real purpose of using Pegasus,” emphasized MP KO. He also added that in 2022, the Wrocław Gazeta Wyborcza informed about the fact of recording his conversation with Tusk.
“Recording of a lawyer's conversations with clients, lack of real destruction, bringing copies of conversations from the CBA, their transfer to the media and the publication of these conversations are very serious crimes. They should be punished with all these crimes,” he emphasized in his statement in Giertych.
He also pointed out that the current moment of publication of recordings is related to an attempt to block his actions regarding the recalculation of votes in the presidential election, as well as the decision of judges from the Supreme Court to recalculate votes in 13 election committees. “Someone is very keen that this case is not continued. It was decided to commit a number of crimes, expose the PiS media to losing the right of broadcasting, just to hit me” – he concluded.
Giertych also added that “at least fragments of the conversation with PDT (Prime Minister Donald Tusk – PAP) are true because I remember them.” “It should also be remembered, however, that Piotr Nisztor (journalist associated with TV Republika – PAP), who will now get allegations once again, was once caught by the court on falsifying tapes,” he added.
The president of the Supreme Bar Council Przemysław Rosati also referred to the matter, who on Saturday at X assessed that the disclosed recording of Tusk's conversation with Giertych confirms that “Pegasus was used for surveillance without a legal basis, without related state security.”
“It is simply an abuse of power. Unlawful eavesdropping on citizens, including lawyers. As is known, Adw. Roman Giertych was then a proxy or defender in many matters, including in matters that are in the interest of public opinion. Controlling a lawyer's phone is actions that violate the lawyer and defense secret, which in a democratic state of law constitute intact holiness, in a democratic legal state, guaranteeing the proper functioning of the state and the judiciary, “he said.
Pegasus is a system that was created by the Israeli company NSO Group to fight terrorism and organized crime. With the help of Pegasus, you can overload conversations from an infected smartphone, as well as access to other data stored in it, e.g. emails, photos or video recordings, as well as cameras and microphones.
According to information announced at the turn of 2021/2022, by the Citizen Lab group operating at the University in Toronto, Pegasus -were under surveillance, among others Roman Giertych (currently also MP KO), prosecutor Ewa Wrzosek and the then senator KO Krzysztof Brejza (currently MEP), as well as the leader of Agrounia Michał Kołodziejczak (currently deputy minister of agriculture). Pegasus's control was also included, for example, by the former president of Sopot, and currently MP Jacek Karnowski and one of the leaders of the Women's Strike Klementyna Suchanow. In recent months, there has also been information that prominent PiS politicians were also under surveillance. (PAP)
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